First published December 8, 2011
Consider the reality that the entity you are about to uncover is a big black hole for Lancashire money, once accomplished you understand the Blues and Twos Credit Union.
By mike dobson
My investigations into Lancashire County Council (LCC) started over 6 weeks ago when I first discovered them listed on Dunn and Bradstreet’s’ website. It is listed there as a company and all of the schools in the county are listed as they’re ‘trading names’. I was interested to know more about the corporate status of LCC.
LCC was not the only supposed government organisation I found listed as a company on the above website. I could not, however, find them listed at Companies House, the UK Company Register database. This got me thinking!
From my own experience, any incorporated company registered in the UK is done so through Companies House, which is a Trading Fund. The office registered (the ‘registered office’) can either be the main place of business, the home address of the ‘owner/s’ or their solicitors’ office! If the registered offices is outside the UK it’s not on Companies House.
When I first phoned LCC, about 3wks ago, to ask them about what I had found on D&B I was met with confusion from whom ever I spoke to. I spoke to many different people all of which couldn’t answer my questions and could not put me onto some who could! Then I found one that could!
My question was very simple, “ Is Lancashire County Council a company and if so where is it registered?”
The first answer I always got was “LCC is a local authority, not a company”. My reply to this was very simple too :
“If that is the case, then why can I pay nearly £320.49 for Dun and Bradstreet International Business report. What information have they got that is worth £320.49 that I, as a member of the public, can’t get off you for free? Do members of the public have to pay tens of thousands of pounds to get individual reports on all its branch trading activities?”
By this point I had asked whoever was on the phone if they had internet access. “Yes,” would always be the reply so I would direct them to the above website before asking the above questions.
The response from this was usually one of amazement. They would accept they new nothing and offered assistance by trying to find someone who could! I must say, everyone I spoke to, did their best to find me an answer. Then I got a strange reply.
One man came back on the phone after having me on hold and said, “I have asked around and no one seems to know. Someone did tell me, though, that they had had a similar enquiry last year and they were told they would have to write in as a complaint but no one knew what had happened since”. He told me I should do the same.
I phoned back the next day, this was last week, and finally got through to someone who could answer my first question – Is LCC a company?
This gentleman told me that it was, and that it was registered at Companies House. This wasn’t news to him but he did not know the ins and outs. He said it had special status and that it wasn’t the same as all the other companies. He also thought it had been set up by Royal Charter!
Really? Like the Bank of England??
So I went to www.companieshouse.gov.uk
What I found is disturbing to say the least! Lancashire County Council is registered. Its number is 666! The full number is IP00666c but if you can accept that zero is NOT a number then the only number I see is 666! (FSA no. 666C)
Search this number at the above website and you will see Lancashire County Council. You will also see that has been removed and is no longer trading! I phoned companies house and they told me that it was a credit union and was registered with the Financial Services Authority! The women couldn’t tell me whether or not they were my county council and referred me to the FSA.
I phoned the FSA and spoke to a lovely woman called Maria (tel. 0207 066 4916) who was very knowledgeable and very helpful! Not often you get the two together! First she told me that the ‘IP’ and ’C’ prefix to the number meant it was formed under the Industrial and Provident Act 1965 and the Credit Union Act 1979.
She then went on to tell me the following:
‘ LCC was incorporated in 2002. Its registered office was 3rd Floor, Christ Church Precinct, County Hall, Preston. It was completely dissolved on the 24th January 2008.
All of the Assets and Liabilities of LCC were transferred on November 12th 2007 to another company called the The Blues and Twos Credit Union Ltd.
The registered address of this company is Lancashire Police Headquarters, PO Box 77, Hutton, Preston. They now own all of LCCs assets and liabilities!
I told her that I was confused because I paid council tax to a company called LCC. She said I shouldn’t because that company no longer exists and no one is trading with that name?
Now I was really confused and I got back on the phone to my local borough council and managed to speak to the head of collections! He was stunned to silence and kept saying, “ I don’t know what to say!
I tried in vain to have my questions answered from both my county and borough councils. Many, many phone calls all with the same reception — shock and aw! Still my questioned went unanswered!
Then, on Sun 1st March 2009, I had a meeting at Preston Police station with a WPC Sgt Logan 2870. I had actually gone in to submit formal allegations against 3 officers who had stopped me outside Preston Magistrates 5days earlier.
I decided to talk to her about what I had found out about LCC and asked her whether the Police would investigate the matter if LCC would not deny that it is they I am looking at on Companies House!
She sat there in silence as I explained. Previous to this, when I had been explaining the Law to her and how her officers were breaking it, she had kept talking over me and been very dismissive. Now she just sat there.
She suddenly piped up and said “That can’t possibly be true!” To which I said :
“ You are not entitled to make that decision”
She repeated herself but this time I could see something going on behind her eyes! She was thinking about it! Then she said this :
- “ It can’t possibly be true because Lancs County Council pay my wages!”
“Really!” I said, “I thought you were employed by the police, sergeant. Are you not?”
And that brought an end to my first visit to Preston Police station!
Since then, I had to phone the police 0845 number for something and the man who answered said “Lancashire Constabulary”
“Oh, is that not Lancashire police Authority?” I replied.
“No sir, this is Lancashire Constabulary!” he said
“Well, my council tax pays Lancs Police Authority, not Lancs Constabulary!”
“You need to speak to your council about that sir”
So I did! Trying to get hold of any one at the top at your council is hard but today (5.3.09) I got a call from a man called Gary who is head of corporate finance at South Ribble Borough Council.
I told him a few things and he very quickly sounded very worried! It was either because I was right or because he new I was right! He said he was going to look into it because it was very serious. Also, he said that all the money they collect as tax, every penny, goes to Lancs County Council!
“Then why am I paying you to pay then? What’s going on?”
I then read a few extracts from the Industrial and Provident Act 1965 to him. Now, I’m not sure but I believe he defecated right there on the spot!
He said he was going to check the names on accounts because he thought that what they paid to LCC was paid to an account with a different name!!! I told him it was probably the Blues and Twos! He just said he would get back to me as soon as he could!
That’s where we are up to. Still no conformation as to whether or not LCC (IP00666c) is my county council! But after reading various Acts I can see how it is.
The funny thing is, South Ribble Council have a Liability Order against the legal fiction known as MICHAEL THOMAS DOBSON. They have been hassling me for months, as I had been conned into thinking it was me! Since I started the above process I hadn’t heard a thing until 2days ago when they sent me a very polite letter asking if I would like to pay by direct debit! Ha ha
The other thing to note is that not one other county council is listed on companies house! Weird!
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